Most local municipalities throw away +150,000 plastic bags a year with doggy poop from the parks and dog runs.
There is a recyclable bag that can be flushed, or buried. It is being tried by the Dane County Parks dept. in Madison, WI. It is made of a relative of Elmers Glue, and is eco-friendly and biodegradeable.
What about Newspaper deliveries? How many million papers a day come in a plastic bag to the entire country? What if they could be safely buried or flushed? How about Supermarkets?
Perhaps we need to use this community to ask questions and make suggestions about products that are available, and which will positively impact the status quo?
I really like your idea of sharing info and then using it to make changes in our own communities. Do you have a letter or email you've used around the newspaper or grocery bag issue? Or does anyone reading this have a letter that can be turned into a form letter that can be personalized?
I do know The Boulder Daily Camera actually puts money toward recycling the newspaper bags. The recycled bags can then be turned into plastic lumber.
Why not a cornstarch plastic newspaper sleeve? Or the glue sleeve you were talking about. Dog owners could still reuse the bags but at least the bags would break down in the garbage.
It will be interesting to see if San Francisco will go after plastic newspaper sleeves in addition to plastic bags.
On a related topic, I'm starting to seriously consider for the first time switching to online. Why? Our local papers (The Denver Post and Rocky Mountain News) continue to make cuts in content while the number of ads and real estate sections, increase.
My brother says he only reads the papers online. My argument as a journalism school graduate (Missouri) is that with the print paper I end up reading stories that I might not happen upon online. I read a wider range of stories -- biographical-style obituaries, sports stories, etc. than I would online. But I'm definitely rethinking it all.
Back to plastic bags... Our family-owned, small chain of natural food stores has a special this week to encourage customers to get into the use-your-own-bag habit. Free bag with purchase and the bags also are on sale for 99 cents. I definitely am going to tell them how much I appreciate them promoting reusable bags.
The question that I have is why do Supermarkets ask: "Plastic or Paper"?
Why not "Paper or your own bag"? Why give people the wrong choice. Why not give them only the correct choices.
What would happen (really) if Supermarkets did NOT offer plastic bags? Would people never go to them again or would they learn, very fast, to bring canvas or cotton bags with them OR use brown paper bags. What is wrong with a brown paper bag?
I think we have a good opportunity arising now to shift the plastic bag consciousness in our communities. It seems like there is a growing interest in better alternatives to plastic bags.
I think that paper was too costly for supermarkets to keep giving out, so the easy way out was to use plastic bags.
I certainly don't like using plastic bags from the supermarket either, and I have way too many because I don't like throwing them out. It's pretty bad, but under my sink, there's about 1 1/2 years of plastic bags amassed there. It's getting harder and harder to keep stuffing them, and my girlfriend says that someday they'll just burst out and I'll be covered in them. I have to find a place that recycles them, if possible. In the meantime, I use them for carrying lunch.
Also, I completely understand how it is for journalists to have a soft spot for print, but trust me, you CAN wean yourself off of it. Perhaps I am different than most journalists, or maybe this is a sign of the times, but I've always read more online than in print. I was notorious for not reading our newspaper (except for days when my stories were published, usually on the front page). I would have to force myself to do so, in order to be up to speed for discussions about it in class. I preferred to read it online instead.
Just remember that your favorite newspapers have the same stories online. There may be a few stories here and there that don't get published online, but for the amount of print-only pieces that are great, there are almost twice as many web-only stories that are published online. Plus, if you use a notebook, you can always read your favorite news online, and you have access to newspapers from all around the world, most of the time without having to spend a penny.Edited by: GranolaJoe on Jun 4, 2007 9:05:06 AM
"We abuse land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect." -Aldo Leopold
We always reuse the plastic bags we get from the grocery. It's easy to do, accept we still get too many.
With newspapers I stopped getting the regular newspaper years ago. Sometimes I was too busy to read it all and the Sunday edition has way too many sale fliers in it for me. I was seeing this pile of newspapers going to recycling that I was fully reading and decided on line was the best. I do love to read and learn about new things... now I do it mostly on line.
Print As far as transitioning to reading the newspaper online, I just don't want to always be on a computer (I don't think it's healthy to be on it at work all day and then again at home and on the weekends). However, I know I'm close to weaning off print as in newspapers (I'm not giving up all my magazines, though! I do get some from the library, borrow from work/friends and share the ones I get).
I also didn't grow up using computers (I graduated high school 21 years ago). In fact, my first News 105 (weed-out class) at MU we were on typewriters that didn't have correction tape, if you can imagine doing timed "stories" on those dinosaurs.
Plastic bags
BTW: You can recycle those plastic bags at Wal-Mart (I'm not saying you have to shop there!) or Wild Oats. As far as Iris's point, plenty of mainstream grocery stores give customers a nickel or so off their bill per a bag. I just don't think they advertise it enough.Edited by: Luckychien on Jun 5, 2007 2:12:24 PM
On Recycling Plastic Bags
(a short sermon delivered from my BYOB soapbox)
The three R's of going green are Reduce, Reuse, and Recycle...in that order!
While recycling and reusing plastic bags is better than tossing them in the trash empty, reducing the number being used is by far the best option. The manufacture of each bag uses resources that can be conserved by not using single-use bags, and recycling those bags after their one use doesn't absolve us of the sin of wasting the resources in the first place.
It is not challenging to bring your own bags shopping...I have been doing it for a while now. I take along my rag-tag collection of cotton mesh bags and free-when-you-join canvas sacks everywhere I shop, and I'm rarely hassled. (Okay, there is one security guard at our Target that likes to search my bags on my way out, but maybe he's just sweet on me). I often get comments on what a good idea it is.
Sometimes I think part of the reason people are hesitant to bring their own bags shopping is that they are reluctant to invest in reusable bags when they are constantly being given disposable bags for free—the old “Why buy the cow when you’re getting the milk for free” phenomenon. It’s one thing to acknowledge that it’s better for the environment, but quite another to lay your own money out to do it. So maybe what’s needed is a guerrilla bagging campaign to give out free shopping bags to people who will use them…perhaps Gaiam would consider tossing a free reusable shopping bag in the box with any order over $50? Or $75? Or whatever dollar amount is the magic number that makes it work.
YES,A great number of plastic bags come from supermarkets every day.
Why "bags or papers"? Why they give people choices? I suggest that plastic bags must be paid and papers for free. In China, we have started to use paper bags in some fields,but just a few. I'm sorry to some people do not see this at all. They even donnot care about environment,globle warming... But I am also very happy to find that more and more Chinese people have began thinking and taken actions.
This is our world! This is our planet! A individual deosnot make difference,but 1+1+1+1...can even make miracles!
YES,A great number of plastic bags come from supermarkets every day.
Why "bags or papers"? Why they give people choices? I suggest that plastic bags must be paid and papers for free. In China, we have started to use paper bags in some fields,but just a few. I'm sorry to some people do not see this at all. They even donnot care about environment,globle warming... But I am also very happy to find that more and more Chinese people have began thinking and taken actions.
This is our world! This is our planet! A individual deosnot make difference,but 1+1+1+1...can even make miracles!
Welcome to the forums!
It's definitely going to take lots of people's efforts to make a significant change, but I'm seeing positive signs already.
I recently started eating at this place that lets you have plastic bags that are compostable. I know this probably won't happen anytime soon, but if people are too lazy to bring themselves to use their own bags, then maybe making compostable bags mainstream would be a good compromise?
Here's some info about them:
"BioBag is the world’s largest brand of 100% biodegradable and 100% compostable bags and films made from the material, Mater-Bi. All of our products contain GMO free starch, biodegradable polymer and other renewable resources. No polyethylene is used in the production process. BioBag products meet ASTM D6400 specifications and California SB 1749 requirements. We will never compromise our earth or our standards. We invite you to review the numerous certifications we have been awarded and the quality of the Mater-Bi product."
Check them out at the BioBag site and in the pic below!
"We abuse land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect." -Aldo Leopold
I shop at the Commissary and it always throws them for a loop when I tell them I have my own bags. They actually do not know what to put in them. I have to direct them to just "put it all in there!"
Looking forward to the day when I don't get a blank stare when I say I have my own.
why not both and save the trees also? I don't think consumers would be responsible enough to bring their own bag all the time. Americans are just too lazy. I think charging for the use of bags by the store may make consumers think about bringing their own bag.
We have safeway, and Ray's Food Place. They have places to recycle your plastic bags at the store. Although keep in mind I am located on the far northern coast of Califiornia. So I would expect this area to be ahead of the norm. I shop at local owned natural food stores. The two stores of this type in my small town offer paper only. I have my own reuseable bag, and you see a lot of others doing the same. They give us I think a 10 cent discount for bringing your own bag. Occasionally I forget my bag. I get a little bummed when I have to use a store bag.Edited by: peacefulfitness on Jul 7, 2007 3:12:03 PM
Very recently the city of San Francisco banned stores from offering paper bags. Good job SF city council ! Hopefully other cities will follow.
I actually do like being offered paper bags, because I know I can recycle them!
I still haven't bought reusable bags (I just have to hit the Mexican part of town so I can get sturdy ones like my mom used to have in Mexico), but I would much rather use paper than take home plastic bags.
It's easier for me to carry more groceries in them too, and I take less bags as a result.Edited by: GranolaJoe on Jul 9, 2007 11:28:22 AM
"We abuse land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect." -Aldo Leopold
i too find it hard to read newspapers online..like somone said, i don't want to be on my computer all the time. but, i can try reading mon-friday online and only getting the sunday paper. thanks for the suggestion!
also, i really like suburban tomboy's suggestion of gaiam giving away reusable bags with orders over a certain ammount of $$$. i will suggest that to the catalog folks.
if i reduced my plastic bag collection from my weekly visit to the local super target, i think that alone could save the planet : )
Two weeks ago I switched our daily newspaper subscription to the weekends. I wanted to do only Sunday, but price-wise it made sense to stick to the Friday, Saturday and Sunday.
It's unbelievable how much less we have to recycle now!
Interestingly what finally pushed me to make the change was that our local papers have been making staff cuts (senior staffers) and reducing the amount of local reporting and content overall. It's ridiculous.
Newspapers have us believing that they are losing lots and lots of money so these cuts seem to make sense. The reality is that the big newspapers make insane profits, and they have to keep the shareholders happy by keeping to the same level of profits. Meanwhile, we all believe that newspapers are dying financially because of the Internet.
Check out this article on Mother Jones. Intro: It's not the Internet that's killing newspapers. It's the equity-chasing investors and their friends at the FCC who have put outsize profits before a free press.
Our Kroger-affiliate grocery stores in our community recently started offering cloth bags. They're $5 each I think. I bought a couple, then later a couple more.
When I bring those in along with several canvas bags I've collected from other companies over the years (including bags emblazoned loudly with the logos of Wild Oats and other competitors) they just fill them up without question or hesitation.
I think this is an encouraging sign for a major mainstream chain store. Statuesqueone, I hope your store's staffers get with the program soon.
Hey guys check out out the "Guerrilla Baggers" from Morsbags - they go out on the street and hand out cloth bags to people who give up their plastic bags!
They say "each one has potential to replace 500 plastic bags as there are 1 million plastic bags consumed per minute"
"We abuse land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect." -Aldo Leopold
People's attitudes need to change and we need more campaigns to educate the public about the downsides to plastic bags.
So you get an idea of how hard that is though, check out what one woman said:
“I would never be convinced to bring my own bags. Never,” Kathy Young of Dix Hills, N.Y., said recently as she pushed a shopping cart loaded with plastic bags of groceries and her young twins, Dylan and Sarah. “I can hardly remember what I need to get here, let alone bring my own bags.”
WOW...
What would she do if the store stopped offering bags altogether?Edited by: GranolaJoe on Aug 6, 2007 10:33:22 AM
"We abuse land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect." -Aldo Leopold
It was interesting to read all the comments when I came across this discussion today because I am in the middle of a very good book "The World Without Us" by Alan Weisman. In the chapter "Polymers Are Forever - page 123" he states: " what especially shocked him were PLASTIC BAGS and the ubiquitous little raw plastic pellets. In India alone, 5000 processing plants were producing plastic bags. Kenya was churning out 4000 tons of bags a month with no potential for recycling". Wow! How I wish everyone would quit using not only plastic bags but other unnecessary plastics. After reading this book, I'm wondering if it's not already too late. I hope not. The book also stated that newspapers don't biodegrade when buried away from air and water "That's why we have 3000 year old papyrus scrolls from Egypt." Landfills are full of paper products - newspapers being a big part.Edited by: komet on Aug 12, 2007 6:10:19 PM
It was interesting to read all the comments when I came across this discussion today because I am in the middle of a very good book "The World Without Us" by Alan Weisman. In the chapter "Polymers Are Forever - page 123" he states: " what especially shocked him were PLASTIC BAGS and the ubiquitous little raw plastic pellets. In India alone, 5000 processing plants were producing plastic bags. Kenya was churning out 4000 tons of bags a month with no potential for recycling". Wow! How I wish everyone would quit using not only plastic bags but other unnecessary plastics. After reading this book, I'm wondering if it's not already too late. I hope not. The book also stated that newspapers don't biodegrade when buried away from air and water "That's why we have 3000 year old papyrus scrolls from Egypt." Landfills are full of paper products - newspapers being a big part.
Ok, that just makes me feel sick to my stomach
"We abuse land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect." -Aldo Leopold
I know it seems depressing but when people just become aware and discontinue putting their heads in the sand, I still believe things can change. People that care just have to make a lot of noise.
There was a day (20 years ago) when plastic bags were not recycled. Now I simply put them in my recycling bin. As long as they are recycled, I think it's OK to use them. I prefer to use a clean plastic bag over a dirty reused bag.
An article on Maui quoted someone saying that hey, we tried plastic bags, in retrospect, not such a good idea. So time to stop using them. About to become law here. Every store on Maui immediately offered shopping bags, Safeway, Foodland, Hawaiian moons. We even offered our own Aquacranial canvas bags. Really nice ones available online.
Everyone choosing to not use plastic bags could make a huge difference.
Maybe 20 years ago I went door to door with a petition to make DelMar CA the first city with no smoking in public spaces - people laughed in my face and slammed doors. Yet today, it is common practice.
Ok, I was thinking about this yesterday, as a matter of fact. I've recently decided that I should start learning and becoming aware of our family's consuming habits. I live at least 35 miles from the nearest supermarket, so I save my trips for groceries for once a week, which means that I end up spending at least $150 to $200 on food for our family. That's a lot of food which end up with a lot of bags. I looked at them piled up on my counter feeling sort of ashamed of myself and imagining how many people at that moment was piling up bags on their kitchen counter. Soooo bad!! Since I am sort of new at my awareness, can you guys give me some suggestions as to how I can hold 75+ items in place of plastic bags? I see the bags that they sell for a dollar, but I would have to buy 20 of them. Any suggestions are very welcome.
I think the price of reusable bags are worth it. I got some that roll up and fit in my purse so I can tote them along. I live in the city, so I max out at about 4 bags anyway. But if I drove to the store and filled up my car, I would just always carry the reusable bags around in the car. Also, some is better than nothing. Sometimes I forget bags when I go to the grocery store, but I've also made it a habit to not take a bag when i buy a single item elsewhere, like a toothbrush at the drugstore. I just put it in my purse!
Whole Foods recently stopped offering plastic bags, period. I'm not sure if that's nationwide but i hope so!
Whole Foods recently stopped offering plastic bags, period. I'm not sure if that's nationwide but i hope so!
Not yet, unfortunately. They still offer paper and plastic at my local Wild Oats (owned by Whole Foods), but they do offer reusable bags for purchase at checkout too, as opposed to just having them up in the aisles.Edited by: GranolaJoe on Mar 28, 2008 11:23:30 AM
"We abuse land because we regard it as a commodity belonging to us. When we see land as a community to which we belong, we may begin to use it with love and respect." -Aldo Leopold
When I forget to bring bags, I just buy a few more at the checkout. The extra expense makes me remember the next time. I try to remember to put them in the car as soon as I empty them out at home. It's just a matter of getting into a new habit. Clean freaks can get cloth bags and WASH them. What a concept!
Sometimes, when I forget my bags in the car.. or at home. I just skip the bag altogether and pile the groceries in my car and then put them in bags when I get home.
Since I am sort of new at my awareness, can you guys give me some suggestions as to how I can hold 75+ items in place of plastic bags? I see the bags that they sell for a dollar, but I would have to buy 20 of them. Any suggestions are very welcome.
Lora,
One inexpensive way to build a collection of reusable bags is to hoard freebie canvas bags.
My shopping collection includes bags from my children's preschool, the Bank of Bermuda (DH gets one at a conference he goes to every year), Sur La Table (free one for shopping there the day they opened), a few environmental groups (send a donation, get a sack), beach totes my kids got as partty favors, and a beer brand that happened to be handing out bags the day I bought a 6 pack.
I also bought 5 mesh bags, which expand to hold 40 pounds of stuff each (got those from Reusablebags.com), and 3 of the dollar bags our Wegmans started selling (though these bags aren't really that durable, and weren't worth the investment).
You can also reuse the plastic store bags week to week, at least while you build a collection of non-plastic totes.
Since my last post I've managed to take a huge amount of plastic bags back to the store to recycle them, instead of throwing them away. Better yet, I have bought about ten bags and I keep them in my car at all times. I've forgotten a few times, but I'm learning a new habit. It's is easier than I thought it would be! Now if I could get DH to do it.....errrrr! I have talked him into at least saving the bags to give to my to recycle. Soooo, we're making progress. One baby step at a time.
Plastic bags (made from HDPE, LDPE, LLDPE) are very recyclable. Companies like AERT and Trex purchase these on the open market. Of course, there are many other applications beyond those 2 companies, but they are the largest. Unfortunately, some waste haulers do not recycle these bags. One good reason is that they jam up the sorting machinery at the recycling plants - I am not kidding - I have seen photos and heard about them having to shut down every few hours to clean them out! Collection of bags is the root of the issue. If you can bring them back to the store that you got them from, then they have a good shot at being recycled at a company like Trex.
By far the best recycleable plastic is PET (Pepsi bottles), but again the issue is the collection system. In the US, only 24% of PET is recovered per year (Assoc of Post Consumer Recyclers). However, the rates are much higher in states with deposit laws. Contact your legislator and get a deposit law for your state. Also, PET can be "rebuilt" in different processes to appear like a new or virgin material.
Paper bags are recyclable, but the weight of transporting them makes them less economically recyclable to plastic bags.
Disclaimer: I sell machines for recycling plastic.
hey! check out etsy.com and search "grocery totes" or something like that. you'll get a lot of different options, all of which are handmade, many from recycled/repurposed materials.
toss them in the washer when they get scuzzy and they're good as new. you're helping the environment AND the handmade community
I started taking my own cloths bags to all the grocery stores I shop, not just the health food store, and I got some nasty comments by a bagger there. Now I make sure to never forget them! LOL
Hubby gives me a hard time because he says he likes to have plastic bags to take his lunch to work in,etc and I've challenged him to use a reusable bag (which he hasn't). At least I've gotten him to remember to put them in the recycling. My neighbors don't recycle and it makes me sick to see what they're throwing away (cat litter plastic containers, laundry detergent containers, etc). We've managed to usually cut our garbage down to 2-3 bags a week for a family of four, when my neighbors have 2-3 cans that are overflowing for a family of 2.
I don't always like the negativety I get from him or the baggers, but it helps when another shopper comes up to me and asks where I got all of the coth bags from. A lot of big stores in my area are offering their own logo bags for sale, but they are cheaply constructed and made from questionable materials.
I just can't stand the thought of even using the plastic bags in small garbage cans in my home, but haven't been abe to get hubby to that one go yet!
I'm living in a big city and don't have a car anymore so I use an old milk crate when I have a big shop. I can fill it with a lot of stuff, don't have to worry about the bottom falling out and can strap it onto the back of my bicycle after I am done. Although I'd recommend getting a net to put over the top of the crate so that your stuff doesn't go flying out anytime you hit a bump.
In addition to toting large recycled tote bags (that I purchased from a local supermarket here in town) to carry our groceries home, we also started going to the store only once per week. We just make sure that we keep plenty of canvas and large reusable tote bags in the car at all times. The minute we unload the groceries I place all of our bags right in front of our door so we can't miss taking them back out to the car on our next venture out. In addition, we stopped using produce plastic bags all together. The few plastic bags we do acquire from packing at the store, like pita bread bags, bulk item bags, I rewash and reuse. Once they've gotten too out of shape to reuse we recycle them. We also have started buying less packaged goods and buying more in bulk.
Plastic is a problem because... A. We recycle about only 10% of the plastic produced (in packaging, bottles, shopping bags, cleaning product containers, take out containers, etc). B. It is not manufactured from a renewable resource. C. They take forever (putting it mildly) to biodegrade. Most consider them non-biodegradable because of how long they take to break down. They will be around for generations to see, and kill animals.
A word about "Paper".... Paper is manufactured from a renewable resource (trees), recycled at much higher percentage than plastic and it does biodegrade (yet, it does take a long time to break down in landfills do to the lack of moisture, sun and air). However new paper production is extremely devastating to the environment, and not enough people purchase recycled paper products. We also still use way too much paper over all.
I would also like to include the same about aluminum. It's highly recyclable, but the new production of aluminum is very harmful to the environment, and we still don't recycle and reuse enough of it.
The bottom line.... reusable bags that we recycle at the end of their life span are the only true green way to go. In addition to reusable bags, we also need to greatly reduce the amount of new packaging we consume, and increase the number of recycled and bulk products we buy. Edited by: Joy Jackson, Life & Wellness Coach on Jan 1, 2009 4:12:28 PM
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Switching to Reusable Shopping Bags is definitely on my top ten New Year's Resolution. I've heard that countries like Africa, Australia and China have already banned plastic bagsin many areas. You can purchase organic and eco friendly reusable shopping bags from ReusableBags.com.
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Switching to Reusable Shopping Bags is definitely on my top ten New Year's Resolution. I've heard that countries like Africa, Australia and China have already banned plastic bagsin many areas. You can purchase organic and eco friendly reusable shopping bags from ReusableBags.com.
For more Green New Year's Resolution, check out: PeopleJam
same... but their just so small. :-( I think more people would use them if they were free. Like if each household received like 2 in the mail, and were unable to get anymore or something.Edited by: chinchillables on Jan 12, 2009 5:59:58 AM
Almost all of the reuseable bags I have are larger than plastic shopping bags. King Soopers has varying sizes, Safeway, Walmart's are quite roomy (though I avoid Walmart whenever possible), Pier 1 sells reuseable bags that hold a LOT, and so do health food stores like Whole Foods, which are made from recycled bags (I think it's bags...). Anyway, my point is, there are a ton of options out there. Don't use the excuse, "they're too small" to avoid reducing the number of plastic bags.
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). I would have to force myself to do so, in order to be up to speed for discussions about it in class. I preferred to read it online instead.
When I buy in Bulk from wholesalers, I just get boxes instead.Edited by: chinchillables on Jun 4, 2008 10:37:33 AM
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